Bmw e90 wtcc '06-'08

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  1. Slow Motion

    Slow Motion Registered

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    Just trying to end once again the issue, now, working on gear file I noticed the first line:

    // GTR2 BMW_E90 GEAR_RATIOS by thome converted to rFactor by MaNTzEl

    So please albim75 stop to continue to annoy people with false accusations.

    1. Simbin has nothing to do with the mod
    2. the mod for rFactor was authorized by Thome and the Raceskinning.de guys had and have the full rights
    3. I'll continue to develop the mod for rFactor2 with all credits to the legitimate authors if I haven't an answer back from them
    4. not sure if I'll be pleased to share the mod with certain kind of people
     
  2. Led566

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    While you contact Matzies for this mod, ask a permission also for DRM.

    He publicly stated he isn't interested in porting DRM to rF2 because he is not confident over rF2 future (he calls rF2 "rF1.5").

    This is a shame and we all know that DRM MUST be ported to rF2.
    rF2 as it is now is the perfect platform for DRM, so someone else should do the porting.
    The materials is already in there and is first class quality.
     
  3. Marc Collins

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    And we very much appreciate your efforts!
     
  4. albim75

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    I stopped here, but then still people asking and arguing.
    "just to be clear. I supposed that was a ripped off version.
    If not feel free to continue developing the mod. The fact is, since I'm one of the testers for T3 studios, we are experiencing many ripped off cars and tracks, especially illegal mods for AC. So I check sometimes other forums and see what is happening."
     
  5. GCCRacer

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    I'd love to see that car in the sim and it all appears legit, so thanks!
     
  6. Slow Motion

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    Thank you Marc for your words and for your "private" help: it was and is really appreciated by me.

    Led566, I spoke to Dennis last year in December for other reasons trying to involve him and his whole modding group into a project... He was adamant in rejecting any activity involving ISI platform.
    I respected and respect his decision and sincerely at the moment I do not like to disturb him for the DRM mod. In addition I'm not so expert to manage a significant mod like the DRM.
     
  7. Guimengo

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    Over at AC forum there were two nice Lancias in development, both rallying. One was being built from nothing and the other a Forza port. A Kunos staff person messaged the conversion dude and a few people jumped on the pitchfork bandwagon. Well, one of the villagers still had a burning torch and decided to stand outside the house of the other Lancia modeler. A couple more villagers joined but although common sense prevailed and the torches were put out, the modeler got quite disheartened by it and decided to give it a (n undetermined) break.

    We get tons of conversions, yes. It is a b*tch when people like to claim ownership, yes, especially of scratch made prior mods as it's claiming ownership of work done for no monetary gain. But before burning the guy's house down give him a chance to offer due credit and go great lengths into trying to get things official. A lot of content creators from the early 2000s, for F1 2002, NR 2003, GP4, and even rF1 have moved on and share that 1.5 feeling about rf2, or have actually moved on from modding or free content development. In some cases they'd be willing to get their work in a new platform but are against it because it'd require putting in effort to getting it adequate to current standards (especially when the person is a perfectionist and proud of his work).

    If the guy converting this is trying to bring it to reasonable standards and show the original folks their work updated, maybe he'll get their official blessing to do a proper release in these forums. Nothing's out and available to the public yet, don't go jumping on the bandwagon on a guy who is clearly showing different demeanor to other converters.
     
  8. Bjørn

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    I still hope that DMatzies, Nil and the rest of the group will change their mind... I once shared their hesitative approach and underwhelming impressions of rF2... But a lot of water has run through the river since then and it has improved.
     
  9. Jamezinho

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    The you should know that Simbin is now known as Sector 3 Studios, not 'Turn 3'.

    /pedant.
     
  10. GTClub_wajdi

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    What's Turn 3?!
     
  11. hexagramme

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    His pretty insignificant error regarding the company's name has already been pointed out mate. No need for that.
     
  12. GTClub_wajdi

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    He has said that he is a Sector3 tester, so how the hell can he make such " insignificant error"?!
     
  13. GTClub_wajdi

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    And it isn't an error since he did it twice ״Turn3 studios already claim that any type of conversion are no more possible.״
     
  14. hexagramme

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    Your tone and attitude is delightful as always... try to calm down a bit.
     
  15. Jamezinho

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    It's not really insignificant if he claims to be a tester.
     
  16. GTClub_wajdi

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    :rolleyes:
     
  17. 88mphTim

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    Guys, give it a rest with the debate. Either report something for source so it can be validated with the author as this has been, or don't bother wasting your time discussing sources you are probably not right about anyway..
     
  18. Slow Motion

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    Well. Please, now on I'd like to talk only about the technical aspects of the mod. I have some news and in a while I'll be ready for releasing the first beta for the mates will like to test it.
    This time, I'm trying to update the original mod to rF2 adding some more coefficient of the new rF2 technology: easy steps because of my skills are limited.

    After the mandatory steps to have the mod running on rF2, I also:
    - added the new "talent" structure, adding a single file .rcd into the main folder where other files like hdv, gen, etc... are stored
    - added the chance to move up/down and forward/back the seat in a wider range
    - added the structure of teams/classes, so the mod now looks under BMW E90, then the several teams and last the wtcc years
    - added the warning Headlight light into the dashboard
    - 3 compounds, one WET and the other 2 are slicks following this thought:
    QUALI tires, a very very performing compounds that is efficient for a couple of laps only
    RACE tires, the standard compound for a race of about 30 minutes

    Several of these features are easy to manage, others not so easy for me. At the moment I'm working on the first tuning of the "race" compound, later and also depending of suggestions and reports I'll try to tune a "quali" compound.

    I have also 2 other "black" areas:
    - new gear ratios integrated into the HDV file (http://isiforums.net/f/showthread.php/22626-new-gear-ratio-into-hdv-file)
    - success ballast (http://isiforums.net/f/showthread.php/22520-Success-Ballast-and-the-new-chassis-How-to)

    I'm integrating the gear ratios into the file but I have to better understand a couple of coefficients and the different approach ISI made in its new cars. About the ballast: it works but I have a lot of doubts about the right behaviour as I explained in the specific thread. Any further help is appreciated.
     
  19. Spinelli

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    Thanks for the work man, ignore these police officer wanna be's. Some people here are almost worse than the governemnt. You obviously know how this stuff works, you have made an effort/are making an effort, and it's nobody else's business. Worse comes to worse you will be told to remove the mod by the originals (if it even is considered "illegal"). If that turns out to be the case then it's just between you and them and doesn't concern anyone else. The rest of the people here need to get a life; it's of absolutely none of their concern and they should mind their own business.

    I appreciate the fact that you have put in time and effort in bringing this car to the rFactor 2 world. The fact that you offered to share it with us all, and allow so many of us to also experience and enjoy it, is also greatly appreciated.

    Thank you kindly for all your effort and time, we look forward to future work from you.


    Question: How did you find working with rFactor 2's tyre model and tyre creator tool? Can you give us some insights and opinions, please?

    If that's true then he's a clown.
     
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  20. Slow Motion

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    It seems there is no way to stop talking about the origin of the mod, ufff. Maybe at this point it is better to hide once again all the thread, trying to start with a new one ???

    I kindly asked to avoid continuing with speculations, continuing to debate about something 5,6 years old. I understand everybody is free to explain his reasons, to comment, etc... but then PLEASE open another thread if you want to discuss about a mod made by Thome for GTR2 and/or about a mod made by Raceskinning.de under Thome's permission to use the 3D model.

    snip
     
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