Alonso

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  1. Louis

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    Its just sad to know that we wont have this incredibly talented and competitive driver in f1 grid next year.
    I think he would make bad for Verstappen's career if he was choosed his team mate.
     
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    He was a great talent, had some good seasons and some bad ones.Wasn't a big fan of him in the early days, enjoyed watching him in the Ferrari days deliver some nice drives it must be said. Shame to seem him go but really was going nowhere with the Mclaren project. Probably one of the best drivers in the current grid.

    Id say he would give verstappen a good run but he is a young developing driver, if anything it would give him good measuring stick and use it to grow with. A real shame anyway, lets hope he can win the Indy 500 with another crack at it.
     
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    I also started to change my view over his driving in ferrari's years. But like many champions, he has some bad behaviour in the past. I agree.
    Of his only 2 championships i can only remember that great livery of his blue renault. Tha time i was getting close to be an f1 fan after boring Michael Schumacher (another driver i start to admire looking his performances of the past years on Ferrari) (That is in top of my head, i could be wrong)
    as i remember was ....schumacher, alo, alo, button, raikkonen, hamilton, hamilton, vettel, vettel, vettel, vettel, hamilton, rosberg, hamilton
     
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    Makes me mad that both jenson and Alonso have ended their careers on such a low note,while Alonso is clearly the better racer,they both didn’t really deserve to go out like this.

    I really wanted Alonso to be battling ham and seb upfront, big loss for f1 imho
     
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  5. Louis

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    I disagree about Button. But, hey, we got Raikkonen world champion :D
     
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    he goes that way.
    also Marc Webber appeared with Porsche team at COTA. at WEC
     
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    Something about him has never sat right with me, and I'm still trying to process what exactly it is.

    The guy is clearly a talented driver, but it always comes across as if for him, a good car is a right and doesn't seem to be willing to do anything to fix anything that's wrong. His Le Mans win was the easiest in history, and he spent more time slagging his team off over the radio than being productive.

    Then there's the fact nobody wants him. If being at McLaren was so terrible, you'd think people would be fighting over him. But they weren't.
     
  8. Louis

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    By Matt Morlidge

    He is retiring at the end of the season, but is Fernando Alonso a wasted F1 talent? Charting his bold, and costly, career decisions...
    By Matt Morlidge
    Last Updated: 17/08/18 1:20pm

    One way of looking at Fernando Alonso and his career choices is that he has been incredibly unlucky.
    He may have argued with team-mates and bosses, as well as being embroiled in not one, but two Formula 1 scandals - but since claiming back-to-back championships he has spent over a decade signing with top teams as they veer on dramatic downward trajectories.
    All the while, relatively new outfits such as Brawn, Red Bull and Mercedes have enjoyed success.
    "I've driven for Renault, McLaren-Mercedes, Ferrari, McLaren-Honda. How many drivers would sign up for a career like that?" Alonso protested to Gazzetta dello Sport two years ago.
    Alonso retires from Formula 1
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    "Certainly I could have signed for Red Bull when it was just an energy drink. But nobody has a crystal ball."
    Alonso has indeed made brave and bold decisions, but the last of those looks certain to mean one of F1's most prodigious talents finishes his 17-year career with a whimper, battling for points rather than titles.
    There will always be the nagging question of 'what if?' when it comes to the Spaniard.
    A wasted talent? A double world champion, but could and should he have won so much more?
    The early years: A talent breaks through
    As soon as Alonso started impressing through the national karting championships in Spain, he was building a racing reputation that would stick in his later years. Alonso was a fiercely quick and determined teenager, always a few years younger than his competitors and always making the most of his amateur equipment.
    He enjoyed his karting so much that even when presented with a rare free opportunity to take to single-seater racing in the Euro Open, he told former F1 driver Adriano Campos that he "would prefer to stay in go-karts".
    Alonso was eventually persuaded and although he was combining a debut season with Campos Motorsport with karting, he won the championship in 1999. And that was also the year he would meet Flavio Briatore, a man Alonso describes as a "key part of my career".
    A path to super-stardom was set out by part-manager, part-talent scout Briatore, who had guided Benetton to a maiden constructors' title in 1995. Alonso tested and shone for Minardi in 1999, finished fourth in the Formula 3000 championship a year later and had a full-time F1 seat by 2001. At that time, the Minardi rookie was the third-youngest driver in the history of the sport.

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    Brundle: Alonso at end of F1 tether
    Sky F1's Martin Brundle says Fernando Alonso's frustration at McLaren was obvious and he's not surprised by his decision to retire from the sport.
    Martin Brundle says Fernando Alonso was at the end of his F1 tether.
    Despite finishing 23rd in that year's championship, Alonso was brought in as a Renault test driver in 2002 and once again had Briatore to thank as, the following season, he was handed another shot at F1 by the French team. Only this time, it was in a vastly-more competitive car.
    "It was one of those things where you found yourself in the best place at the right moment - without being properly prepared," Alonso told Sky Sports F1's Damon Hill.
    "At that time, we were not ready, I was 22 years old and I found myself fighting for podiums and for pole positions. It was a fantastic opportunity and a fantastic time."
    By 2005, not only was Alonso's stock rising in rapid time - quickly filling a void soon to be left by Michael Schumacher as F1's leading light - but race wins were coming in their droves.
    Those frequent victories meant a historic championship was soon on the horizon, but they also had rival teams sniffing around the sport's next big thing.
    And before landing his first title, Alonso also had his first big career decision to make.
    Leaving Renault for McLaren: The first wrong turn?
    Alonso was crowned as F1's youngest ever world champion at the 2005 Brazilian GP where, just before heading onto the podium to celebrate, his head was first turned by McLaren's Ron Dennis.
    "We all thought the door [to Alonso] was firmly locked," Dennis recalled later. "I might have said 'Congratulations on the world championship' or something. And his response was along the lines of 'Well, the thing about you guys is that you make it so difficult because you keep developing your cars'.
    "I said 'You could be part of it'. And he just said 'I'd like to be'. I was just stunned. I said 'Are you serious?' and he said 'Yes'."
    Three weeks later and the deal was signed - though Alonso would wait until 2007 before driving a silver McLaren car. Before that he would win another title at Renault, but he still believed it was the right time to leave.
    "I felt that my time there was coming to a point where it was no longer enjoyable," Alonso said. "We won two championships, the team was struggling a little bit with performance, there were some things where we were clearly on a different trajectory and I said I need a new motivation.
    "I thought - what happens if I win a world championship with another team? McLaren were very strong with Kimi [Raikkonen] in 2005, they were getting better and better in every single race with Kimi and Juan Pablo [Montoya] in 2006."
    But rather than teaming up with Raikkonen or Montoya, Alonso would be partnered by talented rookie Lewis Hamilton in 2007.
    Alonso expected to be a No 1 driver at McLaren but Hamilton's impressive speed from the outset made that impossible. Alonso feared his team were not helping him claim a third successive title, and felt let down.
    "In that moment, I changed my career," he admits. "I was hoping for better."
    F1's dream-team driver pairing were on a collision course, and it was an August Hungarian GP qualifying session that really lit the fuse in their plagued relationship. Alonso's penalty for blocking Hamilton in the pits led to 'Spygate' leaks and a $100m fine for the Woking team.
    Hungary 2007: Hamilton v Alonso
    There would be no coming back from that, with Alonso's three-year contract ripped up at the end of his first season.
    "Let's say we clashed," he says. "It was not a good understanding between all of them. It was not a problem with Lewis, it was just Ron [Dennis] and the high side of the team. We collided too many times, we worked differently.
    "In that moment it didn't work and it was the best solution for all of us at the end of the year to go in different ways."
    Renault were happy to bring their protege home.
    Back to Renault and then on to Ferrari - the right place, wrong time?
    Alonso was a driver in his prime back at Renault but, as he expected when he left the team in the first place, they could no longer compete for titles. The Spaniard would only win two races over the next two years, with another scandal - 'Crashgate' - the major talking point of his return.
    If Alonso wanted a third world championship, he would have to leave again.
    While McLaren clearly were not an option, there were still plenty of suitors for Alonso despite his troubled off-track past. Brawn even claimed he turned down a drive with them in 2009 - a year in which Jenson Button eased to an emphatic title.
    But it was Ferrari, F1's most successful team, where Alonso would end up next.
    He agreed a deal during his first season back at Renault but would not replace Raikkonen until 2010. What was described as F1's 'worst-kept secret' was out of the bag.
    "Driving a single-seater for the Prancing Horse is everybody's dream in F1," he said. "And now I have the chance to make this dream come true."
    It may have been a dream, but once again, it seemed as though Alonso joined the right team, at the wrong time.
    Benefitting from an excellent aerodynamic package and chassis, 2010 to 2013 was undoubtedly Red Bull's era.
    Sebastian Vettel would win four successive driver titles with Alonso, despite driving the wheels off fairly unimpressive Ferrari cars, finishing second behind the young German three times.
    "We were just missing the championships by a little," Alonso says. "Those years I was in Ferrari, you were in a Red Bull or you had no chance to win the championship."
    Midway through a 2014 season which Mercedes and Hamilton dominated, Alonso decided enough was enough. He had two years to run on his Ferrari contract and was even offered an extension, but was still desperate for another title.
    "The feeling with Ferrari was that good that it was better to stop it there," Alonso explains. "If not, it would get worse and worse.
    "It's the same thing in Renault, after I won the two championships. After five years in Ferrari I knew that in the next two years - 2015 and 2016 - they were not able, in my opinion, to produce a winning car."
    Alonso was proved right, but his next career move was quite the shock…
    Back to McLaren for the Honda project
    Personalities clashed, jobs were lost, reputations were in tatters - this was the story of Alonso and McLaren in 2007. But seven years later, Dennis and Alonso were side by side in Woking again, beaming as they gushed about the team's new era.
    McLaren and Honda were back together in reprising one of the sport's most successful and historic team and engine partnerships. This, Alonso believed, was an opportunity not to be missed.
    "It seems Honda drew Fernando Alonso back to McLaren," said Sky F1's Ted Kravitz at the time, with the multi-world champion impressed by the firm's resources and staff upon visits to Japan.
    Alonso and Dennis concurred that this was an engine formula where only 'works teams' could win championships - though there were other motives for his return.
    The optimism was certainly there and it has looked much more harmonious both off-track and on camera between the two parties than it was in 2007.
    But the rekindling of this relationship was undoubtedly a momentous error for Alonso and his career.
    Honda were a year behind their counterparts in terms of engine development in the hybrid era and, although a frustrated Alonso could have done little more to make the project work once making his decision, he failed to finish a race more often than scoring points over three years powered by the Japanese outfit.
    Honda were dumped by McLaren as they switched to Renault for the 2018 season, but though that convinced Alonso to stay for another year, it never looked likely to bring the Spaniard race-winning success again.
    He may not see it this way, but it could be argued that Alonso, one of the most natural talents ever to set foot in an F1 car, wasted the final four years of his career.
    And for that reason, there can be no great surprise that he decided to call it a day.

    https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/2...r-choices-the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly-in-f1
     
  9. ebeninca

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    His arrogance closed the door for most teams. This is the truth.
     
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    Alonso was arrogant since day one, even more than now with all the McLaren spygate and Singapore crashgate scandals. That didn't prevent Ferrari from kicking out Raikkonen in middle of his contract and paying huge sums to get Alonso, so I don't buy it's about arrogance.

    Top teams don't want Alonso mainly because they know they can't have him in a "number two" role as with Raikkonen or Bottas. If they didn't have Vettel or Hamilton signed, they sure as hell would be after Alonso.
     
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