A quasi-objective way to judge physics of sim cars

Joe said:
@Paul, I watched your video. Some of nice sliding. By watching your video, I am still could not conclude however. I 100% understand what you said.

@PLAYLIFE and @Lazza, I guess a "survey" probably is more "scientific" way to get a meaningful result on this. It could be more or less like this:

In his video as he taught three stages: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LpPc8qutCA

Can you carry out these stages on at least three rF2 cars (rear wheel drive, factory default setup)

Stage 1 (Y or N)
Stage 2 (Y or N)
Stage 3 (Y or N)

Does this sound more "objective" to you?
If majority results showed all "Y", then the physics is correct.

(PS: keep in mind "full throttle" he mentioned all the time and showed in video --- he did many cars like just like this).
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Hi Guys:

Thanks for your time and comments and replies. I think all your comments in some parts do make sense. But I realized now that any further explain or argument will not lead any conclusion on this topic. I think we may just call off here (do not want to get into nasty wording war here). However, I do not regret to post this I think it is interesting topic.

BTW, if you do want to contribute to a meaningful result, you may consider being a humble yourself to watch Chris Harris video and try yourself on rF2. Then cast your vote on those three questions I have (no word, video, pic, and question please, just "Y" or "N"):


In his video as he taught three stages: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LpPc8qutCA

Can you carry out these stages on at least three rF2 cars (rear wheel drive with factory default setup)

Stage 1 (Y or N)
Stage 2 (Y or N)
Stage 3 (Y or N)


Peace,
 
Joe said:
Hi Guys:

...

Can you carry out these stages on at least three rF2 cars (rear wheel drive with factory default setup)

Stage 1 (Y or N)
Stage 2 (Y or N)
Stage 3 (Y or N)


Peace,
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Track Malaysia NLoop
Car Corvette GS
Stage 1 (Y)
Stage 2 (N)
Stage 3 (N)

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Car Corvette Z06
Stage 1 (Y)
Stage 2 (Y)
Stage 3 (Y)

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Car Panoz
Stage 1 (Y)
Stage 2 (N)
Stage 3 (N)

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Car Honda NSX R
Stage 1 (Y)
Stage 2 (Y)
Stage 3 (Y)

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Car AC Cobra
Stage 1 (Y)
Stage 2 (Y)
Stage 3 (N)
 
Joe said:
with factory default setup)
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I'm not sure why factory default setup is a requirement? I wasn't under the impression that rF2 default setup was a true reflection of how the real car is setup. I may be wrong in thinking that, but I don't ever remember reading anywhere that the default setup is a reflection of a real setup (I suppose this is only valid for road cars anyway, as opposed to racing cars).
 
Led566, thanks.

others, would you like to contibute this poll? If we have 10 people or so the results would be much meaningfull.
 
Meaningfull?? This complete thread is meaningless!!
And what for? That you can post on AC-forum "I have the proof: AC-physics is more lifelike then rF2´s!", or what?
You clearly saw with videos posted from other titles (and from houndreds of rF2-vids on youtube) that your "quasi-objective way" means a sh!t!
 
again please stay away from this thread. If you have no life else, troll some wherelse. if ur IQ too low to understand, go somewhere else to ****.
 
With roadcars: Panoz, BMW Z4, corvette z06, Honda NSX, Cobra I was able to do all stages in similar way as chris harris, except with cobra half throttle was my full throttle.

With racecars totally different story.
 
Korva7 said:
With roadcars: Panoz, BMW Z4, corvette z06, Honda NSX, Cobra I was able to do all stages in similar way as chris harris, except with cobra half throttle was my full throttle.

With racecars totally different story.
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OK, thanks:
Car Corvette Z06
Stage 1 (Y)
Stage 2 (Y)
Stage 3 (Y)

Car Panoz
Stage 1 (Y)
Stage 2 (Y)
Stage 3 (Y)

Car Honda NSX R
Stage 1 (Y)
Stage 2 (Y)
Stage 3 (Y)

Car AC Cobra
Stage 1 (N)
Stage 2 (Y)
Stage 3 (Y)

BMW Z4
Stage 1 (Y)
Stage 2 (Y)
Stage 3 (Y)

Statistics from those two so far:
Stage 1: Y=9 (90%), N=1 (10%)
Stage 2: Y=8 (80%), N=2 (20%)
Stage 3: Y=7 (70%), N =3 (30%)
 
Car Corvette Z06
Stage 1 (Y)
Stage 2 (Y)
Stage 3 (N)

Car Panoz
Stage 1 (Y)
Stage 2 (Y)
Stage 3 (N)

Car Honda NSX R
Stage 1 (Y)
Stage 2 (Y)
Stage 3 (N)

Car AC Cobra
Stage 1 (N)
Stage 2 (Y)
Stage 3 (N)

Statistics from those three so far:
Stage 1: Y=12 (86%), N=2 (14%)
Stage 2: Y=12 (86%), N=2 (14%)
Stage 3: Y=7 (50%), N =7 (50%)
 
Anyone posting videos of these (partially, or completely) successful attempts? I'd be curious to see how closely they resemble the OP vid.
 
Wow. I can't remember that rf2 looked that creepy about three years ago. xD

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I find it very hard to go wide open throttle during over steer in any car. I can do it sometimes, but only if I get the slide perfect.

Here's my opinion, and it's not objective or quasi-objective like the OP wants, it's completely anecdotal.

I have some experience with going sideways in real life, having owned a couple of cars with decent power and limited slip diffs, plus I've driven about five or six other powerful rwd cars (Nissan s14, Nissan gtsT, things like that). In dry conditions, and with enough experience, oversteer is pretty easy to control. The front of the car is very planted, and you can feed in loads of power and play with the steering without too much going wrong. The recovery can be a bit tricky to get completely smooth. There's a small margin of error, but by no means are you on a knifes edge.

Sliding around in wet conditions is a different story. You need to be extremely precise with the throttle to prevent a spin, especially if you initiate the slide before the apex of a corner. You also need to be very exact with your steering inputs because the fronts can scrub easily.

And to me, that's what it feels like in rF2 when over steering. It feels like going sideways in real life, but when its raining. You're on a razors edge. It's too easy to loose the back end (need to be very light on the throttle), and it's way too easy to loose the front end. The front end doesn't feel planted.

rF2 feels awesome within the limits, if it felt slightly more like LFS over the limit, I would say it would be almost perfect. Just my thoughts.
 
LesiU said:
Right... the post is from 2006, in case you didn't noticed that.
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Same issues, date is irrelevant.
Paul Loatman said:
Either way, based on the changes that happened with the FISI and DW12 after being updated, i'm pretty confident that the road cars will feel a lot better while drifting after being updated.
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The issues haven't changed in the FISI or DW12. Still the same 'ol.
Paul Loatman said:
That said, when you have a good enough wheel with accurate settings, the road cars feel very similar to a real car during a drift, and the differences don't feel so great once you get that part of the hardware working well enough.
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Just because you have a wheel that's fast enough for the physics of the game's world doesn't mean those physics are behaving properly. High-end wheel stuff doesn't mean anything. The issues have nothing to do with FFB, your wheel, or if you're even using a wheel in the first place.
 
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Took me a while to nail this slide. So much harder than it looks. (Sorry about poor quality, still learning)
 
Look how the car wants to keep turning into the corner for like the first half of the slide and look at how it ends (recovers) so oddly not to mention so wobbly (left-to-right) like it's made out of jello. Also, at around the 38 second mark, try giving it full throttle - which will increase the slip angle even more - while applying more steering lock to power out of and straighten out of the slide. I bet that would be much trickier and unnatural than real-life (and sims like Assetto Corsa, Netkar Pro, and Live for Speed). Having said all that, this is one of the best slides I've seen and it still is hardly approaching natural.
 
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