I would not be too hard on myself. You are talking about the 0.1% of "simmers" of which myself I don't include. The same thoughts constantly cross my mind about overall perception of ISI. I mean honestly, I can't see any reason why it's sims are not 90% recommended .........with all the other flawed engines
I agree probably should readjust mirrors positions a lot in a way that you suggest. Maybe also make them adjustable. I always forget because I never adjust them. There are couple things here and there that aren't complete around this car.
Thanks for helping to decide. I have always been aware that there were many highly unique 250F chassies. But it is real iceberg, very interesting. To be honest, I wish I had one too (real) There is also this site, I have just found: http://www.barchetta.cc/english/all.maserati/Summary/SN.250F.htm I like how building physics is working out. Sometimes it happens with cars when you find some information, and that is actualyl already achieved and it just reinforces confidence. I have read in Top Gear side, words from Moss, who has always been good at describing characteristics of cars, he said that with 250F he could have easily kept on doing laps within coule of tenths one from another. Obviously a feature of greatly balanced and easy to drive car. Well easy is subjective, if you aren't Moss level you should not expect it as good. A while ago I wrote how I was doing laps rather easily within 1 tenth of one another at Goodwood. I think my notion was correct that I should not do better than 0.3s.
Thank you, @Corti ! These are incredibly beautiful colored pictures, and some serious reading material about Maserati, will make for some some nice evenings. I wonder if that book will include OSCA, didn't see on my brief look right now. Model is nearing completion. It is not perfect, and I don't aim on having some very good model. But I think it captures the car somewhat well enough, I am more about physics. I think it is going to be nice car to have, even for those who perhaps aren't super intereested in 50s. Kunos dared to include 250F to AC, so that tells a lot. I hope you'll enjoy these pics: If everything goes smooth maybe next week I'll be sending this car to some of you. Or none, if no one will want it.
Noticed something about rear end. I think I should elevate the curve like this. P.S. it was fun to try to make gif for first time, probably would have done half of the remodeling while I made this gif Looks a lot more true to me with elevated curve. Maybe someone knows a good reference picture for this opening ?
I found two hours of free time over the weekend and drove the Vanwalle on Frederick Alonso's new Zolder track. After a short period of getting used to it, those were the most fun two hours I've had in rFactor 2 in a long time. Just great. At this point, a big thank you to Frederick and mantasisg. rFactor 2 lives on ! ! !
https://www.amalgamcollection.com/p...ZXwtgZi2JllvY530FI837ULtiavxvPfYtsL5BY7VVBwbK https://www.gettyimages.es/search/2/image?phrase=maserati+250+f https://www.tomhartleyjnr.com/car/previously-sold/1954/maserati/250f/maserati-250f/ https://www.hamannclassiccars.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/MASERATI-250F_PDF_12_WEB.pdf
250F T2 feels half way done, maybe little bit over that. I am considering to release it to workshop privately, and I will share it with people who will ask. It is one car to be more popular than others, but this way it will be a little more special. Maybe thats temporarily, maybe permanently. There are still plenty of things to test and adjust, but the grand view seems pretty much right, and I can't stop driving it wherever I take. It is not as challenging as most other cars, but it still has that spicy bit of challenge and sense of true car handling. Just right. Model needs things here and there improved and redone. Most notably body mesh cleaning, body mesh UV redone, AO rebaked, and some work on liveries detailing. Not essential, but has to be done. One major thing that is over question mark for me is mass distribution. In some occasions this bit of data is unavailable, and mostly height of center of gravity is unknown, and educated guess needs to be done. For this car I have seen in several sources that mass distribution is 52% at the rear, and supposedly with empty fuel tank ! For me this is hard to believe, that it could be so with an empty fuel tank. Half empty more likely. To me it is more likely that there is 51-52% percent of mass at front. And then with a lot of fuel mass, plus few kg rearwards due to eventual rake angle which happens when soft rear suspension compress with fuel load. It is a bit unclear also how good the drum brakes were. These and Mercedes drum brakes must have been possibly best drum brakes ever. Still I doubt they could have matched Vanwall brakes heat management. On the other hand in 1957 Aintree Maseartis and Vanwalls were great match in qualification. On the other hand in qualification they could have done a cool down lap for drums perhaps, and then press them hard for fast pace lap. Aintree is quite demanding on brakes cooling performance, great track by the way, the more I drive the better it seems, tiny bit more cambers (track seems couple seconds too slow) and shaders rework would make it very good track. I wanted to drive Zolder and Croft. But had to to do testing in "correct" tracks. I use Thruxton for wet physics testing. I made some detailing for drum brakes, in texture, not 3D. And tried to add blur effect to it, it works, but it also doesn't, hard to understand, at least there is no alpha channel in tecture to take care of. Hey bale on track, just enough gap to keep racing line. This is why as a driver you need to look far ahead. 250F was know not only as forgiving (to a degree) and easy on dry, but even more so in wet in comparison to others. Giulio Alfieri explained in an interview with Doug Nye, car handled very good, especially in the wet because everything was good - good front and rear suspension and geometry, good tires. But bascially not too good tires and chassis. Lack of chassis stiffness added softness exposed by lateral forces, and tires didn't have too much lateral grip and that just worked out very well in combination. These words were likely more about early version of 250F, as T2 had stiffer chassis, but I think it still applied.
I love all these early F1's you've made. A group I drive with (F3 Fanatics) has what's called the 'Richmond and Gordon Trophy' group of cars and I'm wondering if the Vanwall should be in that group too. The car group already has: Aston Martin DBR4 Connaught Type B Cooper T43 Ferrari 246 Lancia D50 Lotus 16 Maserati 250F Wow. When I got these cars it was like getting GPL again for the first time lol. I love em! Thanks so much for your work. I owe you a beer or whatever you want And yes I'd love a T2 when it's done. Thanks!!
Awesome, so you guys already have all of the cars you need, why am I working on this I don't know what is the criteria, but it looks weird for Vanwall not to be in there, almost if someone had something against it. Very lacking Mercedes W196... Looking forward to do update for Cooper and to bring Mexes T51 too, probably my next work. Absolutely legend of the car, just a bit outside of these others you names, it is faster. But have to simulate it at first maybe it was similar pace on some tracks.
I have no idea how to share Maserati, which I want to do soon. Maybe best way would be to have people who wants it to just write me, and I will give a link. I am also considering to create discord, and link would be in there, and that also would be very comfortable to communicate, even though there doesn't seem much desire to communicte in the first place. At least no match to my frequency. I do have slight allergy to discord. But I guess having 4-10 people in it wouldn't activate that. The car is all good. Major problem just remains that I have to completely redo some modeling still, especially redo body UV map and AO bake, this also means that car is not prepared for livery work, can't even put simple numbers for now, but it goes nice on track and this is my whole thing to begin with and end with.
Worth a try I guess. I created my own corner of internet in Discord. Will see if it can amount to anything at all, or people will decide that this is too much. Obviously I expect 10-50 times less downloads of a car this way, this would result in 20-4 downloads comparing to Vanwall. Even when it is might famous beautifuly handling Maserati 250F. There might be other cars eventually. You like historic racing ? Anything since 3000BC till 1995AD. Interested in modding ? If you like my cars, want more of them. And also if you perhaps would like to talk a little about them, then join me and make my day. In my dreams I would also like to have people to join and mod together, maybe form some sort of moddign team even. I don't know if that is even possible. I have just passed through cars modding basics myself, and yet to get through track modding basics, but I would help people to get involved. https://discord.gg/HDmYKUAV Lets have this Discord as neutral space, you can compliment, you can also criticize, I do hope respectful attitude though.
I also don't like discord because all my experiences with it ended up in a way that some kind of close circle forms in those servers and then they start regulating their own way on others way too much, and sometimes straight up manipulating, gaslighting. Translating everything dishonest and fake. I have never been in discord server where the lead was respectable, well perhaps only in GPLaps discord, but even then when it was clear that I am in trouble (not my fault, I was basically thrown away from work on 50s endurance cars without being informed) they disassociated from me for no reason. If people had balls they would talk about it. Any alternatives ? Maybe asking to be asked for link is too much also ? I will not be just simply throwing away a link, to be left with nothing, no connections, no build of anything for my own. Best case scenario I would love would be a little modding team. Everytime I release a car I feel empty inside, as if I have sliced bit of myself and simply left on the side of the road. And only a couple good persons around here who has little bit of soul and bright positive mind helps me to regenerate. Eitherway whole reason of this is to only share with people who actually wants cars, and actually will drive them for real. This time in case you decide to get a car, it won't be worth an effort of even asking when you download it just for sake of having it, or trying for five minutes at best. I am aware this will result in dramatic decrease of people picking it.
Oh I just learned about these accidently today. Surprising. And also not surprising. To quote one known sound modder saying this once in AC forums: "Is this the crap that you want?" You owe me a comparison and opinion for 250F, Simons and mine, who did better ? There is also Lancia and T43... there might be more to compare in future.
