Can we have fixed setups in some ISI servers?

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  1. Domine

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    Great Idea ! +1
     
  2. Noel Hibbard

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    KeiKei, very good point about the giving up problem. I think you are right, people join and if they are off by 5secs or so they just assume it is setup (even if it isn't actually the setup) and then exit the server. If everyone knows it is a fixed setup they stick around a little longer. Then again they will just assume it is a RAM cheat. Hahahah.
     
  3. scott420247

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    as one of the slower guys myself it would be much appreciated Noel,i know setup wont make me as fast as most others but if it feels more stable it helps
     
  4. Noel Hibbard

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    I feel like a central place to post setups would be a big benefit to the community. Especially if you are forced to fill in some details about the set, like the track name and car name/version. Then let people post comments on a set and maybe talk about changes they made to improve on the set even more and then let them submit their own version and link to it. Maybe even a voting system. Maybe even a way to visually compare two setups (this would be tricky because I the site would need access to the HDV files for the car that the set was made for). If we could get conversation dedicated to setup work only, it could help people learn how to do their own setups. If you don't read a lot of books or join a league with knowledgeable people then you are sort of on your own learning about setups. I rarely see meaningful setup discussion on any of the public forums. It seems to be isolated to league forums.

    I plan to put some time into this. I think it would be cool. The trick will be to find a way for it to not rely on me constantly needing to submit new cars/tracks to the database all the time similar to what Uwe has to do with his rFRank. Just have to figure out how to keep it from becoming a big mess of duplicate names. Maybe force people to paste the sig of a track along with the track name if the track isn't already in the DB. I wish ISI would give us APIs for programmatically opening rfcmp/rfmod/mas files. Errrr.
     
  5. KILL BILL

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    Good idea, but on the other hand all the different style drive
     
  6. coops

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    You can already share setups in the ISI forum. Maybe PPL need more programes or help with how to understand and set up cars for drivers. every1 drives different thats why you need to make your own setup. learn what understeer and oversteer is then the programes avaliable are easy to understand. ( so many out there )
    Like some1 said just ASK a lot of ppl will hand there setups out.
    IMHO defaut setups are crap they do not suit all drivers and there driving styles
     
  7. Dave Millard

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    Hell let's all just distribute the wealth/setups, nothing wrong with a little socialism eh?
    Seriously.. if I join a server and load the default setup I will never even come close to the fast guy on the server. The difference between no set and a good set CAN be 5 seconds. That isn't to say a setup is everything, but it IS a lot. Other things are... what hardware I have, Am I driving with a keyboard, a joystick, a game pad or a wheel?.. all which have effect on lap time (depending on user).
    Fixed sets are cool, but if you think that's going to get you closer to the front... it ain't.
     
  8. DurgeDriven

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    We did that for 6 months in F3 ROOKIES, was strictly F3 Eve and Spa with long sessions.

    Fixed setup was by Steven Porter

    Outstanding laps on many builds from 45 up with same set.

    Trained many rookies in there :)
     
  9. Guimengo

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    More important than sharing setups is sharing the thought process behind them. People tweak setups to run as they like, matching their driving style. I like using specific setups for optimal gearing and tire temperature solution, the rest I couldn't care less and rather tweak myself. The main problem from mindlessly taking setups arises from cars being exploitable with terrible angles of camber, tire temps that'd blow the thing, and impossible suspension settings.
     
  10. Hany Alsabti

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    I'm already a front runner with the default and my own setup. I just want fixed setups to make it equal for everyone. I read allot of people saying that having fixed setups is not good because everyone has a different driving style, well IMO that's not entirely true because everyone will have to adjust to the fixed setup. In the long run people will be very competitive because they learn the track very well instead of 3 laps track time and back to the pits to adjust the setup.

    Tim should give us 1 server to begin with. Anyone who dislike it isn't forced to join and can go race in the other servers.

    I know this thing will work really well because in gt5 all I did was race with fixed setups. learning how to drive a car with fixed setup is also a nice challenge. btw u can only blame yourself when u are slow with a fixed setup.

    Spec racing is the most competitive racing there is. :)

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  11. LowRider

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    Maybe a good point for leagues and other private servers. But official ISI servers should renounce any superfluous restrictions. RF2 should be there for fun and not to massage somebodys ego.
     
  12. 88mphTim

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    That person is, in fact, going to be able to drive any setup and be faster. People need to learn how to drive long before they start spending too much time on setups. TIME will do more than any setup for 99% of people.
     
  13. Dave Millard

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    Consistency will get you farther than fast... old guys know.
     
  14. DurgeDriven

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    He asked " some servers" not all.

    You are the one wants to have it only your way, even though you can only be in one room at a time.



    Be fair dinkum ! lmao omg


    I find that attitude condescending and childish at the least

    Seems to me some here have never used a room with a fixed setup for any length of time, yet still have a opinion on the usefulness or should I say uselessness, forget the fact they do not have a clue.

    Ask people ran my room " F3 ROOKIES *Training " ........., same car ( F3 Eve ) , same track ( Belgium ) , same setup ( Steven Porter's ) ................FOR SIX MONTHS EVERY SINGLE DAY

    I had a full room every night .....what were they doing there ? Bored ?
     
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  15. DurgeDriven

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    I asked for help on that 2 years ago and would have liked it to have been added to the track torrent or a separate torrent, whatever.

    A torrent would be the easiest most effective way, you would download 100's of setups in minutes, they would automatically be inserted into userdata............ lol

    Folders could be divided by cars, tracks, even authors, whoever supplied the setups could have a say in that.

    To this I wanted to add real road, HDR and skins .............. of course all permissions to do so first.

    Putting a site up to select individual setups is just a hits grabber and would take forever.

    Why not spare the anguish and give them the lot one hit.

    imho making a specific site for separate setups skins, anything is tiresome and last decade........ think outside the square.
     
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  16. 88mphTim

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    Does the forum allow the filetypes you need to be able to do that? If not, what extensions do you think I should allow? HDR profiles as well?
     
  17. Guy Moulton

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    Race 07 used to have a button in the setups area where you could d/l setups on a server hosted by Simbin (right int he game). You could also upload your setups to the service. Something like this for rF2 would be really cool and a great value added feature.

    ISI would do well to learn from Race 07 also in the area of pit stop presets. You could setup different pitstop strategies (regular stop, stop with damage, splash and dash etc) by just bringing up the pit menu and choosing the strategy you had preset. Much quicker and better than fiddling with the pitstop options at speed on the straight.
     
  18. RustyM

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    What exactly is the default setup? Always wondered about that..... it seems to always be for a long race (full ducts, full tanks, hard tires) Usually it's too loose and too soft. Regardless of the car. Usually the gears are too big too.
    Perhaps the default setups (factory) should be geared toward what most people do out of the box. 20 liters fuel, no need for all the duct and radiator, and maybe add notes in the note section about typical wing/downforce for particular ISI tracks, letting the guy know what ball park he should be in. :cool: I have seen hints of this so far, keep it up. That note section could solve the whole problem, getting noobs going well enough to wanna keep trying. Some well-thought out advice could really help out.
    Who remembers the driving school in F1 2002, in the two seater Arrows? That got me going :D
    Rustola
     
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