Change of grip levels in a race-> can ISI explain?

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  1. Guy Moulton

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    I thought at first I was just over-doing it in races and spinning because I acquired a case of nerves and a heavy right foot. Now I know that it's something else and everyone seems to have it in a race. Grip levels in the race are drastically different. The car balance is different and even when the tires warm up there is less grip in the race session than there is in the practice or even warm-up sessions. In the pubbies you can see it because drivers are spinning right left and center- worse than pubbies normally are!


    Is this a Beta bug (in which case, no big deal) or is this some tire dynamic I haven't heard of? Either way- has anyone else noticed and will this be fixed soon?
     
  2. MystaMagoo

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  3. brabham67

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    More like a dynamic track and tires. The reason you are seeing guys spin off is that every time you leave the garage, or start a race, you need to take a few laps to get heat into the tires. Lots of guys pushing to hard in the first laps and spinning off because the tires are cold. Track conditions have to be heeded as well. A fresh track, say after a rain shower in the previous session, will have less grip than one that has been rubbered in.

    This is one of the biggest differences when compared to other sims. It takes more time to get up to speed than before.
     
  4. RJNL

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    Especially track conditions play a huge part in the grip levels you experience. I've seen a decrease of around 3 seconds in my laptimes on a track that has rubbered in compaired to those set on a green track. The first few laps are really really slippery and tricky not just due to the cold tires but mostly due to an overall lack of grip on the surface of the track. I do wish ISI would build in an option to drive on a track that is already rubbered in so you can set a quick hotlap instead of driving 10 pointless laps just to get some rubber down on the surface.
     
  5. brabham67

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    You have to "Un-official" options..

    1.) Offline - let the AI rubber the track in for you. Use time acceleration to speed up the process

    2.) Online - Wait for the other guys to rubber in the track for you! Perfect time to get a mug o beer, cup o coffee or tea, text GF that your going to bed(LOL!), ect..
     
  6. RJNL

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    Yes let the AI do my dirty work for me! Never thought about doing that, thanks for the tip.
     
  7. brabham67

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  8. B00Ts-SA

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    +100 :D Thanks great tip
     
  9. GTrFreak

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    Yesterday, I was doing a race weekend in a public server with the FRenault 3.5 and I did noticed the change in track conditions. I made several runs with starting fuel at 10 laps and it did get lighter in my opinion, after 4/5 laps.. I could go flat-out at corners I had to lift before..

    That said, when starting the race of 16 laps I had fuel for 19 laps. Almost twice as much. I think my lack of speed in the first couple of laps wasn't down to the tire temps (because I think this isn't working correctly yet) or to the track conditions.. I think it was the weight of the car because of the doubled fuel load.

    Thats also something to take into account.
     
  10. Fordprefect

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    Lol did you actually read what he said?
     
  11. un_fumeta

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    Good idea that of the AI. Thanks!
     
  12. rml64

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    .....so thats what time acceleration is for....lol. Great tip.
     
  13. imonarefactor

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    Does 'next session' do the same as time acceleration? Can I change the speed of time acceleration?
     
  14. B00Ts-SA

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    Besides the AI leaving rubber on the track which is great, you can start seeing the racing line.

    I am still useless ;) so I wont tell you my time but default car settings I improved by 5seconds per lap and started to be more constant not flying off on every other lap.

    It also stopped me changing my G27 wheel setting thinking that could be the problem. I can now start looking at setting up the car and learning to drive.

    One more thing I go out when the AI go out no time acceleration and you can feel the track improving which also teachers me how to drive on cold tyres and a green track.

    So thanks again for the great tip.
     
  15. John.Persson

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    I just like to grind it out myself. I like when I can feel the momentum to go faster and faster builds up, but the letting the AI doing the dirty work was actually a nice workaround.
     
  16. blazko

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    LOL I did that yesterday .
     
  17. gniewko

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    @brabham67 bad idea with the beer, as your laptimes will not increase even if there is huge amount of rubber on the track :D
     
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    You guys are too funny. ROFLMAO
     
  19. D.Painter

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    I don't get it! Your all asking for more realism. Now you got it your looking for a go arounds! Do it like you should and learn how to drive on a green track with cold tyres.
     

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