Porsche GT3 Cup

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  1. romaFC

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    hahaha.......hahahahahahaha
    congratulations for the funniest post I have seen in long time.

    is rfactor 2 a simulator or not?

    if you think simulator should be harder than real life than......

    clearly shows how little you know.

    I suggest keyboard driving from now since you are too afraid to be like 'pro driver'
     
  2. Sebastien Sestacq

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    In fact, you're a kid who's never driven anything in his life and you're talking about going to stop. You're ridiculous.
    you're not a pilot and you would like to have the same time as them....concentrate..
    I'll stop here you'll understand when you get into a real sports car and do 10s less than the pro drivers and then we can discuss why, bye
     
  3. CrimsonEminence

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    Sunday drivers can't hit 2:02 on Silverstone?? I'm tempted to say challenge accepted!!! :D Never tried it on Silverstone yet.^^

    Also: Calm the f....down guys, we all share the same passion!
     
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  4. Coutie

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    Ya, relax please.
     
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  5. franser

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    Some simulators try to make players feel they can roll at the same time as a professional driver.
    Rfactor 2 tries to simulate the behavior of the car as real as possible and it is hard to go fast, as it is also hard to go fast in reality.

    Pd: if you get into the real car of the cup without being a professional I doubt that you can shoot in the same times as them
     
  6. Sebastien Sestacq

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    exactly!
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  7. romaFC

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    than how is it

    in rf2 with GT3 cars you can be faster than real life?

    some of you really live in fantasy world.

    so all rf2 GT3 cars are wrong cause you can be faster than 'pro pilot'

    hahaha
     
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  8. juanchioooo

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    in rfactor you always depend on the grip that you have put on the track
     
  9. Andregee

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    You don't have to be a real professional to be fast in a simulation that perfectly simulates vehicles. In the simulation you have much more time and possibilities to train and the long-term experience of many years of Simracer makes it possible to drive a certain amount of talent in a short time, real or even faster lap times provided you are not simply not talented. I can drive real or faster lap times with the rFactor2 GT3 or GTE, but with the Cup, 2.02 at Silverstone, maybe with 100000000 training laps. And yes, the Cup would not be the first car with massive issues. Look at the rear axle of the BMW M6 GT3, its completely broken. The suspensions of the Corvette GT3 was completely changed with an update, fast bump and rebound settings has been remove and so on. I wouldn't bet that the cup was constructed correctly.
     
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  10. Lazza

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    I'm saying that even if the Silverstone track were scanned (it isn't) the overall track grip being wrong or different by a small amount can make seconds difference around a track. Unless some very specific friction testing was done, and checked in multiple locations, more likely the track grip was just set to the "normal" level, or even tuned so that a particular car (itself only approximately correct, as they all are) achieved realistic performance.

    If brakes are wrong enough to notice in a braking zone, find and measure single braking event performance. If it's wrong enough to be noticeable at the wheel the measured difference will easily outweigh the variables in that scenario.
     
  11. Filip

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    Are you saying track grip can be tuned so gt3 car is (much?) faster than real life and at the same time porsche cup much slower than real life?
     
  12. Sebastien Sestacq

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    the comparator completely biased on youtube, that's science!
    what is the car model? (rf2 which model? YT which model?) equipment (different according to the championship) brand and tires model (different according to the championship again!)? setup? (also depending on the championship)
    the track what degree of scrubbing, temperature, humidity, wind etc...
    so before making this kind of comparison, which is more than doubtful, it is necessary to make sure that all the parameters are met and to have the necessary knowledge.
    I also suspect that not all cars are 100% compliant but before landing with "evidence" and saying that the construction is wrong there is a way!
    talk about it pretty much on discord with @Marcel Offermans or @Christopher Elliott

    between a simulation and a real car on the track there is a big difference!
     
  13. Lazza

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    I think the gt3 bop is a whole different kettle of fish :D

    I wouldn't tune a car's performance based on laptime unless I was extremely confident the track is completely correct.
     
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    Real Porsche Mobil super cup 2019 Silvestone 2.06.49

    The supercup participates in the same weekend as F1 and many other categories, the track may have a large amount of tire that increases the grip and thus reach 2.02
     
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  15. romaFC

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    We been through this already. Video was posted 2 pages back.
    That lap is not on pace.
    Marius (driver in video above) did 2:03 flat in quali and 2:04 in race.
    Fastest race lap was 2:03. Fastest quali lap was 2:02.
    This year 2019 Silverstone is 2 seconds slower than 2018. According to Blancpain real series and tiny improvement in F1 quali laps to 2018 quali laps.

    ..........
    I will do more tests in rf2.
    But something about this car in braking isn't right.

    You can select GT3 in rf2 and be right on pace and even faster than reality. Which is always the case in simulators anyways.
     
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    Is this chart saying the RS19 brake optimal temps are above 300c and below 650c?
     
  17. Lazza

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    I think RS19 are Pagid, not PFC.
     
  18. Sebastien Sestacq

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    of what year and the rf2 cup? of what championship and pulled the bop? who knows here before making a hazardous comparator?
     
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    This.

    And I have NO feeling in the wheel when brakes are locking. Always flatspotting and smoking.
    Just try a AMS car without ABS to see how this should be done.
     
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  20. romaFC

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    So after testing with brake ducts and logging with Motec....
    This car has serious braking fade after 700 Celsius.
    Best braking is to have open ducts as default.
    ............

    also to do 2:02 around Silverstone with GT3 Cup only way possible is to cheat.
    use fake grip settings.
    which in comparison can make other series like GT3 cars drive 3-4 seconds faster than real life as comparison

    ............
    lets see if they do update on this car in the future.
    at moment its fun car as it moves a lot in cornering but has weird braking performance.
     
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