Roadmap December Update

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by MarcG, Dec 17, 2016.

  1. Woodee

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    It already happens.
     
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  2. DaVeX

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    ...really?Where?
     
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    Is anybody realised that the Corvette GT2 that we are seeing on the WIP UI screenshot is a new version of the one that we have at the moment ?!?
    2009 to 2013 with new configurable option (LeMan configuration...)

    The only thing that we have at the moment is 2009 and 2010

    I am looking forward to this and the new C7r :)
    Thanks guys
     
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  4. stonec

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    Well not sure which thing Woodee is referring to. But there was and is a test team for testing beta builds, which is non-public. There also was briefly a period in which ISI provided "unstable" builds to the public, but it never really caught on, most of the time the unstable test forum was empty.
     
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  5. Woodee

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    People like Empty Box and others given the USF2000 mod before release.
     
  6. T1specialist

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    I think the lifetime question is important. Obviously if you bought a lifetime back in 2012 then one could say you have got your monies worth. But if someone bought a lifetime in 2016 summer then that's a bit different. Those people basically paid a lot of money for couple of months of online access. I'm not one of those people and I think there are probably not many of those went that route but it was piss poor investment for anyone who did it.

    So some kind of balancing is needed. Otherwise if one wants to be nasty about it he could call it bait and switch.

    The thing though is that ISI probably has the money. 397 are stuck with the mess ISI left behind.
     
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    Same here. HTC vive user, need any help just ask. VR and updated stockcars are about all I need, lol.
     
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    regarding the wip UI:
    I completely support the option of a regular tree list/menu for cars and tracks. Some sortable parameters/tags and some HTML functionality would enhance it as well.

    Or just populate the screen full of alphabetically/categorically sorted car and track icons/tiles so I can see them all at the same time and just click on what I want. I just don't want to have to scroll through things horizontally.
     
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    l don't think they would have tried persuading anyone once they had the plan to merge with 397, have you thought that maybe the cost of the new rf2 will be $88.00 ? Aus. And no discounted price as in the past for either 1year online or no online ?
     
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    Unless the game costs the same as life did in 2012. Perhaps those with 1 year will pay the balance and get life ? Seems like the logical solution
     
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    All those updates are needed for rfactor2 and it sounds great but i see other problem with this simulator and to me it is a big issue.
    Where to race rfactor2 where ?????????
    The players are so spread out across all the different sites . It is so hard to find the one for you. Some of them are running ridiculous long races and are so complicated even to join and most of others they running few people or empty servers .

    Why not to try to do something to bring this people together something like iracing or i dont know.
    I mean the amount of different leauge and difficulty to join the race just killing this game .
    There is lots of people i believe that wants to do few clicks to race and not to search internet for weeks where to race .

    Many different sites , registration ,system to participate is not clear and not easy , too much hassle.
    Is there a way to make this more simple than it is ?????
     
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    I agree 100% with this. It would be great to see quality thumbnails for every car type all on one screen. And same for tracks.
     
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    For what? They haven't lost anything.

    No, they paid for lifetime and they've got lifetime.

    I recently bought some stuff at 40% off from a store that was closing down. 3 weeks later the same store had 90% off. Did I lose anything? No, I got what I wanted at a price I was happy with (and that's why I paid it). If someone else got the same thing much cheaper then good for them, but it doesn't affect me.

    People are getting way too precious about things. Does this sort of debate happen every time iRacing has a sale? Do the established members feel they should be compensated because they paid twice what others have for the same content?
     
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  14. T1specialist

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    I don't understand what you mean?
     
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    How do you imagine IRL series work ?
     
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    Selling rF2 for $88 as only option would be an utterly retarded move and even worse than the current pricing options, as even less people will buy rF2 then. As Studio 397 has realized, there was not much that justified paying for the yearly online cost, so there is no reason now why rF2 would be double more expensive than other sims on Steam. I'm sure pricing will stay the same as currently, around $30-35, or a small sum added to it. The rest can be financed with DLCs.
     
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  17. T1specialist

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    I don't think it is a fair comparison to compare a discount to something that you paid for that then becomes free. It is more like selling a dlc season pass for 50€ then you only release one 15€ dlc...the rest 35? It is a discount? The lifetime portion of the price of rf2 is now worthless and any money you paid for it is gone.

    The way I see it the new system with free* online (*it is not free, you need to buy rf2!) online is better system for everybody. More players online, easier to find races, easier for old players to come back to rf2 when there is no paywall. Not a magic bullet, even ams online is pretty empty most of the time. But still for lifetime members the new system is better (as a game, not economically). And not to mention the game is not dying anymore but being actively developed! But that's a bit past the point. Nothing has been released yet for example.

    However if you had an option to buy a lifetime or normal rf2 and chose lifetime last summer for example it means you made a really bad choise. Effectively you paid for something that is of no value. You literally paid 50€ for nothing. This is not just about the online access though. It is also about the possible paid dlc. The idea of the lifetime sub system was that there would be no paid dlc because the game was supposed to be financed with online fees (stupid way to do it but that's they way they did it).

    Now those who bought the lifetime did so under the impression that they had the full game until it dies. Now they are in a situation where they paid lifetime for nothing (paid 80€ for a game that is worth 30€) and in future need to pay more when paid dlc comes out. Even if the lifetime was not directly about having the access to the full game it definitely was so indirectly. And the worst part? Nobody actually did get their monies worth out of lifetime.

    Let's look the math.

    Back in 2012 I paid 36$ for rf2 which I'd imagine is the same price as now, 30€ (currency values have changed a lot since). Back then there was this beta period and all people who bought the game then had some online years for free*. Lifetime is/was 80€ (and is still available!?). Yearly fee is 11€. So for the lifetime to make sense you'd need to get the benefit from it for 4.5 years. Rf2 online became paid somewhere in 2014 I think. After that you had to pay. Before that you did not because it was beta or something. So rf2 lifetime would start financially be worth itself only somewhere at the end of 2018! Bad investment.

    So after all things considered lifetime was poor deal. Bad system for everybody in fact. Good riddance. However it makes sense why someone might be annoyed when they paid for lifetime and did not even get the price benefit for it.

    I was expecting little more than just "sucks to be you" kind of statement. Free* online is the only way forwards but after doing the math it is easy to see why some people have an issue with this. Especially if paid dlc is coming.
     
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  18. MarcG

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    It never ceases to amaze me how sim racers argue to the death about spending money on buying software yet they spend X amount on hardware without question, I mean my rig all in is probably close to £2000 if not more, am I worried that I paid lifetime for RF2 4 years ago? Of course not, I've more than got my monies worth from the game. If you feel you haven't that's your problem for buying something you never used, suck it up and move on to another game. If you buy a shirt you only wear once do you want compensation from the clothes shop? No, it sits in your wardrobe getting eaten by moths and you don't complain about it!

    If you feel hard done by then I struggle to see how you can afford to go out to a restaurant, have a few beers at the weekend, buy clothes for your kids (and we know how quickly they grow out of expensive trainers!), upgrade your PC, buy a new wheel etc etc.

    I know this is an endless argument that will go round in circles, but some members of this community as a whole need to chill out a bit and accept that at the end of the day the software is the cheapest part of our hobby, and that they should be thankful that we have these developers making these games for OUR enjoyment.
     
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    Agrée 1000% :)
     
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    Studio397 should think about implementing SimRacingSystem as a basic multiplayer feature of rF2.
     

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