R9-290 or GTX-770 4GB ??

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by ViSo, Nov 6, 2013.

  1. DrR1pper

    DrR1pper Registered

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2012
    Messages:
    3,294
    Likes Received:
    36
    Here are my graphical settings that i find are the best compromise (well, actually they look just as good as everything on max imo and i get an added 70% increase in performance):

    Min: 98, Max: 149, Avg: 121.812 (all max setting avg: ~72)

    [​IMG]

    It's the environment reflections that kill the performance. Putting it from "off" to "low" reduces the fps down to 80-ish and to "high" reduces it down to 75-ish. I can't stand "low" because the environmental reflection refresh rate is terrible slow and you see reflections in the cockpit stutter away. High doesn't have this issue ofc. But imo, my eyes are on the road and not on any environment reflections on bodywork so it really doesn't need to be real-time update for me so as long as they are smoothly updated it still looks really nice in my peripheral view.

    oh and the "low" special effects is temporary until isi can fix the stutter it causes in heavy situations. Low still looks good though.
     
    Last edited by a moderator: Nov 22, 2013
  2. FatnSlo

    FatnSlo Registered

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2011
    Messages:
    36
    Likes Received:
    0
    Thanks! For this benchmark test I just leave FOV at default, but obviously it is too high to be usable. To determine the FOV With Mutliview on I divide the side screen angle by 2. So I have my side monitors at a 60 degree angle to my center monitor so 60/2 is 30 which is what I set my FOV at.
     
  3. Nuno Lourenço

    Nuno Lourenço Registered

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2010
    Messages:
    593
    Likes Received:
    65
    Just to scare people :p

    Resolution: 1920x1080
    Drivers: 331.65

    CPU: Intel Q6600 @ 3.6GHz
    GPU: MSI GTX780 Ti (core@1076 / Mems@1925)
    RAM: 4GB @ 1066MHz

    Frames, Time (ms), Min, Max, Avg
    13604, 200211, 55, 87, 67.948

    ------------------------------------------
    Resolution: 5040x1050
    Drivers: 331.65

    CPU: Intel Q6600 @ 3.6GHz
    GPU: MSI GTX780 Ti (core@1076 / Mems@1925)
    RAM: 4GB @ 1066MHz

    Frames, Time (ms), Min, Max, Avg
    13248, 200119, 52, 81, 66.201

    ------------------------------------------

    Resolution: 5040x1050 (Both Reflections off)
    Drivers: 331.65

    CPU: Intel Q6600 @ 3.6GHz
    GPU: MSI GTX780 Ti (core@1076 / Mems@1925)
    RAM: 4GB @ 1066MHz

    Frames, Time (ms), Min, Max, Avg
    15664, 200087, 63, 96, 78.286

    As you can see my Q6600 is in the end of his life. I can't do nothing about that and lucky for me that play with 3 monitors otherwise i would be seriously bottlenecked by it...

    About the card and the game... What a couple... To me its a new game.

    :eek:
     
    Last edited by a moderator: Nov 22, 2013
  4. DrR1pper

    DrR1pper Registered

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2012
    Messages:
    3,294
    Likes Received:
    36
    wow, what a shocker. Your 1920x1080 performance is the same as my stock clock performance where you should be around 30-40% quicker.

    I take it you just forgot to correct the core and mem clocks for the bottom one because you copy & pasted the format? :)

     
  5. Lurvas

    Lurvas Registered

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2012
    Messages:
    1
    Likes Received:
    0
    Nice graphs.

    Made swapping cards an easy choice.

    Was using a 6950 3 GB, bought a GTX-770 4GB.
    Still am a useless driver but at least I enjoy the view from behind the wheel.
     
  6. Marek Lesniak

    Marek Lesniak Car Team Staff Member

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2010
    Messages:
    1,585
    Likes Received:
    101
    Nuno, why there's such a huge difference between second and third test even though they both seem to be done with the same settings?
     
  7. Nuno Lourenço

    Nuno Lourenço Registered

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2010
    Messages:
    593
    Likes Received:
    65
    Sorry guys i forgot. The second one is with reflections off. I updated the post already.

    But now that i really tried for me its amazing the progress in 3 monitors. I turn on adaptive v-sync, it doesn't cause any lag and keep the game so smooth that its unbelievable.

    [​IMG] to NVidia
     
  8. Shamrock

    Shamrock Registered

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2012
    Messages:
    287
    Likes Received:
    36
    A new driver is out for AMD cards. It might be substantial for some.

    Feature Highlights of The AMD Catalyst 13.11 Beta9.4 Driver for Windows

    Includes all Feature Highlights of The AMD Catalyst 13.11 Beta9.2 Driver
    May resolve intermittent black screens or display loss observed on some AMD Radeon™ R9 290X and AMD Radeon R9 290 graphics cards
    Improves AMD CrossFire™ scaling in the multi-player portion of Call of Duty®: Ghosts
    AMD Enduro Technology Profile updates:
    ​XCOM:​ Enemy Unknown
    Need for Speed Rivals

    http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/latest-catalyst-windows-beta.aspx
     
  9. Tony H

    Tony H Banned

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2010
    Messages:
    82
    Likes Received:
    1
    7970 ghz with i5 2500k, did this a few days ago.... bit poor isn't it, or joke rather!
    -rF2 bench-
    2013-11-16 16:08:36 - rFactor2
    Frames: 5329 - Time: 202707ms - Avg: 26.289 - Min: 12 - Max: 59

    so i turned off reflections, shadows to low, sun occlusion off, movies off..
    all the rest the same-it looks no different to me, yet look at the result!

    2013-11-16 17:32:02 - rFactor2
    Frames: 13810 - Time: 200679ms - Avg: 68.816 - Min: 42 - Max: 91
     
  10. Spinelli

    Spinelli Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2012
    Messages:
    5,290
    Likes Received:
    32
    Some of you got way lower frames with AMDs last driver in RFactor 2 than their previous driver, has this one brought things back to "normal" for AMD guys?
     
  11. speed1

    speed1 Banned

    Joined:
    Jul 26, 2012
    Messages:
    1,858
    Likes Received:
    0
    I wouldn't do that once you do you have lost the game with ISI. No i stay with AMD and i'm thought if someone would be so gentle and opens up a thread on AMD's support forum, we all could contribute to it. And the issue is not just the reflections, more the most of the options are.
     
  12. Murtaya

    Murtaya Registered

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2012
    Messages:
    531
    Likes Received:
    0
    I also got fed up. Just bought an Evga gtx770 4gb classified. Child has also realized PC rather than console gaming is where its at. So he gets the 7970 and this has forced me to upgrade everything else too.... that's my story anyway. All arrives monday and I'm not excited at all. Damn, probably would have been cheaper to go to the darkside of simulators and buy all the content..... At least child may not ask for ANYTHING for the foreseeable future.
     
  13. mospider

    mospider Registered

    Joined:
    May 10, 2013
    Messages:
    16
    Likes Received:
    0
    "environment reflecions" are the FPS killer on AMD graphics cards. Why do I see no difference when I turn off this? The reflections look the same but I have a lot more FPS.
     
  14. DrR1pper

    DrR1pper Registered

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2012
    Messages:
    3,294
    Likes Received:
    36
    It's cleverly done to look like so but the reflections are updated every 10-15 seconds instead of something like every 0.2 seconds on low (which makes it stutter) and perhaps in real-time on high (can't notice any stutter at all, like with it off). What you are seeing on reflective surfaces (cockpit and car bodywork) as you drive along is a constant reflection map taken at some point in the last 10-15 seconds. If you look carefully, you will notice the reflections suddenly pop in new reflection map.

    It's usually quite unperceivable but occasionally it is obvious, such as when the reflection map is updated as you are driving in a shaded area of track and then you drive out into a bright area of track and sometime later the reflection map updates and you notice the pop-in effect of the new reflections.

    I hope ISI can tweak this with some sort of gradual fade between the two? Because the performance loss is too great for high, low sucks and off is perfect apart from the pop-in effect.
     
  15. Shamrock

    Shamrock Registered

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2012
    Messages:
    287
    Likes Received:
    36
    Dunno, I am still on 13.11 beta 8 :p
     
  16. speed1

    speed1 Banned

    Joined:
    Jul 26, 2012
    Messages:
    1,858
    Likes Received:
    0
    I've tryed the current beta with the 290 and i'm not sure if it's placebo but anyway everything is more stable, but a performance increase is not noticeable.

    Still time for some compliments because it looks great and performs relatively good with the settings i use atm with a singlescreen. To be honest i can't see a big difference to some of the current competitors.

    The combination of GT3's/Open Wheeler and Silverstone looks great and it makes much fun to drive with lesser AI's and above 120 fps.

    I hope everything else get sorted out with time, hopefully very soon.
     
  17. ViSo

    ViSo Registered

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2013
    Messages:
    316
    Likes Received:
    0
    I have the GTX770 which is a direct competitir, and Im having your fps with +-200% your resolution if thats not a big difference ...

    You are on 1920x1080 (2,07Mpx) and Im on 3840x1024 (3,93Mpx)

    Enviado desde mi MI 2S mediante Tapatalk
     
  18. speed1

    speed1 Banned

    Joined:
    Jul 26, 2012
    Messages:
    1,858
    Likes Received:
    0
    Yes that is, and i'm aware of that issue but above 120 fps is still enough for some fun and generating impressive visual results.

    edit: you get me wrong, with competitors i meant not the hardware. :)
     
    Last edited by a moderator: Nov 24, 2013
  19. Led566

    Led566 Registered

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2012
    Messages:
    358
    Likes Received:
    24

    MPx doesn't have a big impact on AMD card, the problem is anywhere else.

    I now have same fps than your 770 at 4032*1024, reflections off, transparency AA off.

    Visually I don't see much difference.
     
  20. Murtaya

    Murtaya Registered

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2012
    Messages:
    531
    Likes Received:
    0
    The latest beta 13.11 think its 9.4 is quite a big improvement over the last few releases, for me anyway. No idea about benchmarks but the first and last corners at malaysia are now pretty driveable, so the experience is smoother one for AMDers. Tomorrow I will have the gtx so can make a good comparison.
     

Share This Page