Jeremy Miller tweets (Senior Programmer at ISI)

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  1. MarcG

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    says who? it's still morning in the US, they've got all day yet!
     
  2. Hagen Tröger

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    my pessimism
     
  3. MarcG

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    then I'm glad I'm not you :p
     
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    +1 :cool:

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    Alberto Montanari ‏@albim75 · 4 h
    @jeremymmiller thanks Jeremy :) it's better a stable release next week. Take your time to polish the build


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  5. Valter Cardoso

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    ISI could at least announce build releases with 2 or 3 days advance. It would be helpfull for leagues to announce also changes in their championships.
     
  6. Slamfunk3

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    Yea but that would mean we wouldn't get the build till 2-3 days after it's ready to be released

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  7. MarcG

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    you'd know a build was imminent when an Unstable build gets released, unfortunatley in this game they could easily announce a Build to be released in 2-3 days...then find a show stopping bug and delay the build, then you'd be the first one back here moaning about it. Patience and understanding go a long way.
     
  8. Ronnie

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    Jeremy Miller
    We have discovered a issue that crashes the build... no one likes crashes. Going to fix, will push the unstable
     
  9. Hagen Tröger

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    fixed now?

    the time is running out :cool:
     
  10. Cangrejo

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    your pessimism :cool:
     
  11. Hagen Tröger

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    a issue not the issue :)
     
  12. SPASKIS

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    It sometimes takes days even weeks for bugs to show and get reported in stable builds. All this pressure to save some hours or days for a build that we will be have to use for presumably a couple of months is completely unnecessary and negative. A stable build should primarily stable by definition. The normal procedure after passing internal testing should be releasing unstable release which should be open for feedback and bug/problem report for AT LEAST one week. After that ISI should evaluate whether releasing it as stable or correcting reported things into a new unstable release and so on.

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  13. 88mphTim

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    Can you explain how this would make things different than the information currently available? Usually we put out unstable builds a day or two before they go public.

    The league I'm in simply states to stay with the previous build if the release happens within a day or so of the next race.
     
  14. 88mphTim

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    Are you in possession of a Mayan calendar that says the world is ending again? :)
     
  15. Xavier De Carvalho

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    That's generally what we do as well.
     
  16. Valter Cardoso

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    Well, thats the best option....apart when you have 3 or 4 guys who dont read anything posted anywhere and reach race day with their RF2 updated.
    We understand that if a build is released it makes all sense using it right away, not delaying it. Obvious if at least we had the changelog some days before release we could decide if we should use it or not depending on what changes in RF2.
    It was a simple request, nothing more than that. Cheers.
     
  17. Lazza

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    What Tim's saying is the unstable will be out for a couple of days at least generally, before it's confirmed as 'ok' and is released as stable. So by looking at what is in the unstable build, or what has changed, you can work out whether to move to the stable build if/when it comes out before an event. The unstable build (and its notes) provide the same help to you as early release notes would, if they could give early release notes when they don't yet know if the build they relate to is actually going to be released :)

    Just ignoring all the insults and comments afterwards, I don't think you understand where unstable builds fit in. They may well be stable; the whole point of being released 'unstable' is that they can be tested more widely before they actually replace the 'current build'. So by releasing an unstable build ISI is actually improving the chance of the later stable build being stable, because it has already been tested by more people than the internal builds are.

    As a league admin I wouldn't be using an unstable build unless it was organised as an unstable build test.
     
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    Absolutely as Lazza said, as a league manager we would not run any unstable build in any sort of league environment, unstable is just another word for final testing before any fixes for the stable.

    As Tim mentioned we have a rule of if the update is released same day as the race we don't update. This is not always because the build may have issues but more to protect our racers who don't have lightning quick internet to download/install check their game is ok for the race. It's simply safer to run the race on the previous build where everyone knows what's going on. Once the race is over we then update any servers, our systems etc and do some basic checks to make sure nothing obvious sticks out as being a problem.
     
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    Posted that at 11pm (if he's in ann arbor) thats pretty late to be working on a friday night, thanks for the effort :)
     
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    The nature of development. Good to sort issue before unstable release.
     

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